From NH: Older and Low Income Voters

There has been a lot of attention paid to the amazing youth turnout that Obama has managed in Iowa and NH and with good reason.  It's a terrific development for the country and Democrats.  They are the future and it's good to see them voting with us, even if it's not my primary candidate that's getting them out there.

Obama did not do well among older and lower income voters.  Clinton won these.  If the sampling I spoke to in NH is at all representative, Obama is not connecting at all with these voters, just as Clinton has struggled to connect with younger voters.  This could be as big a problem for him if he is the nominee as the youth vote could be for Clinton.  Because it wasn't clear to me that these voters would come out for Obama like they came out for Clinton.

The older voters, particularly women, love Clinton and so she's probably always going to do well among them.   Many of the older voters are every bit as passionate about Clinton as younger voters are about Obama, it's just harder to show public displays of political passion when you're 70.  But I was struck by how dismissive many of them were of Obama.  Not hostile, just dismissive and it didn't strike me as being racially motivated.  I think Obama's problem is that older voters know Hillary Clinton.  If you ask them what she has done they can tell you in general, even if not in detail - she worked on healthcare, she's helped women and children.  None of them could tell you what Obama has done.

Now, I might find Obama's resume a little thin, but at least I know what he's done.  These folks have no idea.  I suspect many had never heard of him until last year because, really, before then he wasn't a national player.  They might know about his 2004 convention speech or maybe even his Iraq war speech, but these are just speeches.  Lobbying bills or transparency bills are not exactly huge news to the average American.  They're popular with the young and highly educated, but that's about it.  And folks in NH are not going to know anything about his work in the Illinois legislature.  

To most of the older folks I dealt with Obama was some guy who talks nice and suddenly wants to be president.  They are completely bewildered that anyone thinks that's a good idea because in their view, he hasn't DONE anything.  Now, obviously, I only spoke to a small sampling and most were at least Clinton leaners, but if you look at her margin of victory among seniors, she's clearly connecting in a way he isn't.  

I am not at all sure some of the seniors that I canvassed come out and vote for Obama and, just as Clinton is taking steps to become more appealing to the young, Obama needs to take steps to introduce himself to older voters.

As for low income voters, I think Obama has fallen too much in love with inspirational message at the expense of the nuts and bolts of what he's going to do (just as Clinton at times has focused too much on the nuts and bolts, without providing a broader narrative).  Showing up on a 30-year-old single mother's doorstep and promising to change the way Washington works is like showing up on my doorstep and promising to change the weather on Mars.  What you're proposing might be good for my long-term interests, but it's so far removed from my day-to-day life it's not going to have much of an impact.  

The lower income folks we spoke to want tangible things.  They want healthcare.  They want universal pre-K.  They want a candidate who is going to improve their lives, not Washington, D.C.  I might get how improving Washington, D.C., could improve their lives, but that promise is too far away when you don't make enough money to have a phone line in your apartment.   Not to mention, they've heard it all before.  I honestly don't see these folks, most of whom have sketchy voting records, showing up for Obama right now either.

It seems to me that Democrats are getting high turnout because Clinton and Obama are using their vast resources to turn out different sections of the electorate.  The trick will be to continue to turn out both groups of people in November 2008 for only one of them.  



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I'm Sure There Are Some Racists Among Older Voters (none / 0)

There are racists among all ages.  I also ran into sexism among some older male voters (younger males, too).  One guy we met, who wasn't on our list and I suspect is Republican, is clearly never going to vote for an African American or woman.

But most didn't seem motivated by racism and, after living in the South quite a bit, I'm usually pretty good at picking that stuff up.  Again, I'm sure some will be.  Just as some of Obama's male advantage is probably because of sexism (most of the non-Clinton support we ran into was not driven by sexism, but a few men that was clearly the issue, it radiated off of them).

Clinton and Obama will both face voters who are not going to like them because they are not white men.  That's what happens when you try to make history.  My impression, however, is that it shouldn't be enough voters to make a difference or, at least, can be offset by voters excited about seeing a woman or African American in the White House.  Which is good, IMO, because I don't want either of them to lose because of prejudice.


by BDB on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:57:59 AM EST

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Too early over analyze this thing.
Clinton lost Iowa by 9 points coming in third.

She barely won NH by 2-3 points. When elections are that close its more about GOTV than anything else.


by joachim on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:01:37 PM EST

Absolutely (2.00 / 1)

Clinton had a terrific GOTV effort in NH.  I think Obama's was stronger in Iowa.  

But Clinton or Obama will need to turn out not only their own supporters, but the other's to win in November.  They need all Democrats or Dem leaners, not just their own little slice.  

You could right this same diary about Clinton and affluent and younger voters.  I didn't because there's been so much talk of Obama and these voters already.


by BDB on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:14:39 PM EST
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Do you think this has anything to do with the fact that this same group of older and low income voters are the ones least likely to be able to go caucus at 7pm? (Not to mention working mothers, who are usually just getting home to cook and put the kids to bed at this time.)

I think the caucus system effectively disenfranchises the very people who tend to support Clinton.


by LakersFan on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:28:35 PM EST
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Didn't Clinton turn out a lot of young voters in NH?  I believe she won the Millenials (according to Mike Connery,) which is the  

http://futuremajority.com/node/888

New Hampshire Youth Turnout Doubles; Clinton Eats Into Obama's Base

In one respect, yesterday's election was quite different from the Iowa caucuses. While Senator Barack Obama rode to victory in Iowa on a wave of youth support, last night it was Senator Clinton who was victorious, mainly due to large gains she made among women and young voters. After losing the youth vote to Senator Obama by a 5-1 margin in Iowa, Clinton spent the last 5 days on a course correction that saw her messaging heavily to young voters. This was on top of a months long field operation that was already targeting young voters, and seems to have had particular success among young professionals, if not the college crowd. As a result of her efforts, Clinton was able to narrow Obama's 57 - 10% lead among 18 - 25 year olds to 60 - 22%, and, most incredibly, turn a 57 - 15% deficit among 25 - 29 year olds into a 37 - 34% victory over her rival. Exit polling indicates that Clinton won by regaining her lead among women and by cutting into Obama's base.

The message coming out of New Hampshire is clear: young voters continue to trend towards and Democrats and participate more than ever. Paying attention to young voters can pay huge dividends, as the Clinton campaign has demonstrated. We're in a slugfest now, a showdown between Clinton and Obama, with both of them potentially fighting it out for the youth vote as one of the crucial blocs to swing the election.

I think what we are seeing is that the youth vote is up for grabs, and Clinton is viable with it, provided she pays attention to it.   I think that the eventual nominee will get a majority of the "slices" of the other, with young voters probably having a very easy time going to Clinton, if she wins, older voters going for Obama, should he win.  Hispanics may make up a more difficult for Obama to show up in an enthusiastic way for Obama, the way they are currently going for Clinton, but I don't see that difficulty with either the youth or older voter, with either Clinton or Obama.  Don't forget that the eventual loser would obviously endorse the winner, would probably work hard to get their strongest constituencies to turn out, and just might end up as the VP candidate.  


by georgep on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:41:27 PM EST

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Hispanics may make up a more difficult for Obama to show up in an enthusiastic way for Obama,

should have been

Hispanics may make up a more difficult task for Obama to show up in an enthusiastic way,


by georgep on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:44:30 PM EST
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Glad you're back GoergeP..:)
Its a long process. You win some, lose some but no need to disappear when thing don't go your way.

Yes the latino vote was a lock when Clinton looked like a sure thing. Now that things are 50/50 and she was almost knocked out in NH the latino vote is up for grabs.


by joachim on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:53:53 PM EST
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How do you figure? I don't see any correlation between Iowa and the stunning NH win and the Hispanic vote, given that neither state features them prominently.  I doubt there are any inroads Obama made into the Hispanic vote at all, that seems like wishful thinking on your part.  Or is there any evidence you base your assertion on?


by georgep on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:37:54 PM EST
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